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Statement discussion: A thought of Time
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Top Cat's avatar
Top Cat
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Posted: 13 February 2008. Subject: Statement discussion: A thought of Time
Hello everyone, i just came up with a most fascinating concept of the being of 'time', and i'd like everyone's opinion about it(also starting a discussion) Because it is, in some sort of way, a part of life,and therefore a spiritual thing, i suppose i'll have to put it in here(if not in place, it can be moved;))
anyway, the statement i came up with is:

'Time is the precise sequence and ordering of atoms(or molecules),captured in their current state of being(to what other molecules they are connected,being solid,liquid,or gas, their temperature,their involvance in processes(combustion,photosynteses,changing form,etc.). A moment in time has passed, once something in that sequence has changed. From there on, a new moment has started,ending when that moment has also changed. And so there is a continious forming of a new moment(or sequence),whenever something has changed.
the sequence of every sequence; the line of all the sequences,is what can be referred to as the past, and so the current(but also changing as soon as you think it over(the proces of thinking things over)) state is the present, and of course; yet-to-be constructions&combinations of all those atoms; sequences are to be the future.'
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Arturith's avatar
Arturith
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Posted: 13 February 2008
I suppose time is ungraspable. Many people tend to think of time as a line, but it's a whole other dimension that if seen correctly, allows us to walk with people from the past. Therefore, time being a non-linear aspect can be an important medium in conjuring spirits and ghosts from the past or future.

Well, so far for my philosophical view on time, it can also be very humbling, which I'll illustrate by a single line out of a wonderful from my favorite band:

"In the concept of time we're like a grain in the sand."

Given my first comment on time, it being a non-linear dimension, we are just one of the many people and creatures who have walked this Earth.
Schlimazlnik's avatar
Schlimazlnik
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Posted: 13 February 2008
There is no such thing as time if you can't take the past (Urd) and turn it (Verdandi) into a future (Skuld).
Top Cat's avatar
Top Cat
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Posted: 13 February 2008
@Arturith, Einstein has already proved that time-travelling(in solid matter) is impossible. If one could, he would make changes, changing the future, and so everything, maybe even erasing himself, etc. Has anyone seen 'A Sound of Thunder'? A man accedentally kills a butterfly in the very past, disrupting the entire world... And has anyone seen the movie about a guy who takes a walk with his girlfriend, gets robbed, and accedentally his girlfriend dies. and because of that, he finishes his concept of a time machine. And then everytime he travels back in time, his girlfriend dies; if it wasn't for her death, he would have never been motivated to build that machine, so it is inevitable that she dies(and a whole other story follows). So unless you're talking in a form of spiritual traveling, i havent got a clue about what you mean;):$

@Schlimazlnik, could you explain a bit more please?:$
Arturith's avatar
Arturith
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Posted: 13 February 2008
Yes, spiritual traveling. Duh. Timetravelling goes against the laws of nature :/

Seen the movie 'Lola rent'?
A girl, Lola, is running and gets hit by a car. Same sequence happens every time again and again, except for the fact that one minor change occurs in her actions during the running. And it influences the outcome every time.
Top Cat's avatar
Top Cat
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Posted: 13 February 2008
haha yes i did;)(i think:P) but still, she's traveling in time.. changing the outcome of the moment she returns.. and wouldn't that mean traveling in time, just without being able to decide over place&time?.. I mean, if she's just spirit-traveling, it wouldn't change a bit..

Anyway, isn't traveling back in time, not just reviewing what happened that moment?.. Like looking at a interactive film.. Review the sequence of atoms at that precise time, and everything(or everyone) who is bound to that moment in time?
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Schlimazlnik
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Posted: 14 February 2008
The concept I mentioned is Nordic in nature. In that concept, there is real no past and no future, only “that what was”, “that what is”, and “that what will be.” The block of clay will stay a block of clay, unless you make a pot or a statue out of it. While making the pot you still see what was (the clay) and a bit of what will be (the shape of the pot). That what will be will bear the traces of that what was (you still can see it is made of clay, the “past”) and that what is (the fingerprints of how the clay was shaped into a pot, the “present”).

In the present we can see that what was because it is part of the present and many possible shapes of what will be, which lurk in the present where we shape the future. The three are interconnected and somehow the same. The concept is personalised by the three Norns Urd, Verdandi and Skuld. They cannot be seen apart from each other.

Thus time is made by changes.

Those who are able to see the raw block of clay when look at the pot can see in the past. Those who are able to see the shapes the raw clay can have when using tools (the present) are able to see in the future. The past is part of our present, and the future is there in rough shapes. This makes walking in other times fairly easy.

Some other thoughts:
Can you measure time if nothing changes? Not even the smallest parts in the universe?
Is there still time at 0 Kelvin, when everything is frozen?

If it were possible there is -10 Kelvin, aren´t things moving backwards in time at that temperature? How can you tell?

If time is made by changes, even the smallest changes, how are we able to tell these changes put us forwards in time, and not backwards? If you stand still and the only thing changing is a car that drives by, you might experience time by the change of the place of the car, even though you don´t change at all. For the person in the car, everything in the car is “frozen” and doesn´t change. But you on the outside, even though you stand still, move when seen from the car. The car can drive forwards, backwards, thus you –standing still- move backwards, cq. forwards. Back in time? To whom?
How can you tell if a change returns the present situation to a former situation (the past) or to a future situation? Aren´t we also shaping the past?

Time is no dimension in modern science (quantumphysics), btw.

And Lola doesn´t go back in time, be relives the moment making different choices. She does not know what happened the other time. The movie is not about timetravelling, but about shaping the future with the choices we have now.
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skydragon
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Posted: 14 June 2008
Time is relative. For the one it flies, for the other it crawls.
On some places on earth time goes "slower" then on other places.

For every single individual being time is different, but be clear on this: Don't waste you're time ;-) you dont have got that much! So stress out a little less and enjoy a little more.

Dont live to work, work to live!
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